I think the Hornet or the FB versions (maybe even the HMR or the WSM) may fit more average hunting scenarios better in the eastern US for sure than the Rem version, just based on population of humans (less noise), and generally shorter shooting ranges. If thats the case, then maybe the extra steps it takes to produce Ackley 17 Hornet brass would pay off? The 25 Gr grain bullet from the Hornet listed at 3,283 ft/sec. The 17 Mach IV as its been known for decades which is the new.17 Fireball is very close to the.17 Rem with the lighter bullets that weigh up to 25 grains. I would think comparing it to the fireball, no there is no advantage, however it would be quite the improvment to the 17 HMR. Accuracy, increased range, flatter trajectory, less wind drift and devastating terminal results are all realized with Superformance ® Varmint ammunition.. Find a Retailer I have taken boocoos of ground squirrels with 10 grains of Blue Dot with the 20 grain Vmax. None, I didn't waste a second on it because neither of them are calling rifles anyways. 1. Maybe my memory isn't the best but it seemed to me the fireball never generated interest when in my opinion it is built on the much superior case, better ballistics, etc. Skip the set trigger and adjust the … Good round fast little to no recoil, accurate! Fouling problems are reported to be much less pronounced than with the .17 Remington. It takes 24 plus gr of powder to do this though. when I see something cool, different or unique, that where the fun is. With the higher velocity of the bullets fired from the Fireball it has a flatter trajectory curve. From the 17 hm2 to 17 rem I like the 17 hornet the best. So Remington now has a newer cartridge out, the 17 Fireball, which is just like the older 17 Mach IV wildcat. Two things have worked for all of my 527 rifles and for others I've shot. Because the .17 Fireball burns less powder than the .17 Remington and drives its bullet at a lower velocity with less pressure, it fouls the bore less rapidly. The Fireball fired the 25 grain bullet out at 3,850 ft/sec. Pretty easy to do too. If you pick up some of the 30, 27, or 25 grain gold bullets from Todd Kindler it can make the .17 fireball a real contender in the .204 realm. All this with a 21.5 inch barrel and 10.3 gr of powder. Out West, more open longer ranges with less people as a rule. Fueled with Superformance propellent, the 17 Hornet Superformance Varmint is economically priced, and delivers the trajectory of a traditional 55 gr 223 load, but is … as with most 17 centrefire rifles. Remington has 2 loads for the 17 Rem. The same as the ambiental (outside) temperature. Comparing the HH to the FB is kinda like comparing the Fireball to a 17 rem, 223 to the 22-250, 308 to '06 etc... How many more? For the record. The .17 Remington Fireball was created in 2007 by Remington Arms Company as a response to the popular wildcat round, the .17 Mach IV.Factory loads drive a 20 grain (1.3 g) bullet around 4,000 ft/s (1,219 m/s). He used the following bolt-action, single-shot, and lever-action rifles (left to right): Ruger Model 77/17H, SSK Industries Contender, Remington Model 700 LTD, Sako L46, Marlin 1894CL, and Cooper Model 21. I am interested in a 17 center fire and wanted to ask the same question. For the handloader the .17 Rem makes better sense due to the fact that you can download it slightly resulting in longer brass life and still have a round with the same power that the .17 FB has. 17 Hornet vs 17 Fireball - posted in Varminter Magazine - Main Hunting Discussion Forum: I am simply curious as to the opinions of others. The .17 Remington Fireball introduced a few years ago is a somewhat larger edition of the .17 Hornet, but the Fireball is less than trendy. Noise & Performance... 17 Fireball vs. 22 Hornet Firearms and Optics. The 30 grain gold has as high of a BC as the 40 grain 204 Vmax bullet. The Official Predator Masters Search Engine, http://shop.reedsammo.com/product.sc?productId=1850&categoryId=121. 22 Hornets have been around forever, and maybe the brass is more available? Just like I can load my .17 Remmy down to .17 FB levels, I can load it down to .17 Hornet as well. Ive shot the Fireball and liked it. JMHO. Since getting the 221 Fireball the old 22 Hornet stays at home. 17 Hornet VS 22 Hornet Rifle. When you get into the 30 gr Bergers the.17 Rem will pull away. Note: A full length article about the .17 Remington Fireball can be found on the Rifle Cartridge Page. Superformance ® Varmint ammunition delivers muzzle velocity increases of 100 to 200 feet per second from EVERY gun. The 17 Hornet is my favorite truck, carry, gun out to 300 plus yards. 22 Hornet, 221 Fireball (2 of them), 6.5 Grendel and the 17 Hornet. Fireball. Many .17 Remington shooters have reported optimum accuracy when the bore is cleaned after every 10 - 20 shots, though more modern metallurgy used in both barrels and bullets has largely mitigated the fouling issue. Jump to Latest Follow 1 - 9 of 9 Posts. The Official Predator Masters Search Engine. And should you want to you can load the .17 Rem up to its full potential and leave the .17 FB in the dust. but it will do everything the 17 hornet will. The Fireball is by far the most fun to hunt with for groundhogs, fox, and coyote. I think Hornady and Ruger are more on their marketing game than Remington has been lately, but time will tell. I see no point in getting a K Hornet or Hornet … In other words something to boost lagging sales due to lackluster .17 Remington purchases. Much the same as the .221 Fireball and the .223 Remington. While some may say these aren't a problem with proper maintenance, I know more shooters who have sworn off the .17 Remington because of them. But there are those nagging issues of fouling and barrel erosion following it around. Accuracy, game performance? Great topic. I have used the 17 HM2, 17 HMR, 17 Fireball, 17 Rem, 204 Ruger , 22 Hornet, 221 Fireball, 222 Rem. That said, I own and shoot two .17 Fireballs...Remington 700 and Encore. The 17 Hornet uses about half the weight of powder than the Fireball so the Hornet has a higher ft/sec per grain of powder ratio. Im wondering about that too. the new 17 hornady hornet, besides being commercially produced, is there any significant advantageover the fireball? If it is okay, can we also talk about the 17 Rem on this post? The other top-sellers are the .17 Mach IV, .17 Rem., .17 Fireball and Hornady’s .17 Hornet. Just my 2 cents Yeah, my .17 Hornet is a CZ 527. The author tested handloads built with CFE BLK in the varmint cartridges (left to right): 17 Hornet, 17 Ackley Hornet, 17 Remington Fireball, 218 Bee, and 221 Remington Fireball. I don't know anything about either of them. The 17 and 6.5 needed quite a few to settle in. I think the hornet would be better for colony varmints and a longer string of shots, not heating the barrel so quickly and using about 60-70% of powder compared to the 17 FB. On a PD shoot about 10 days ago one friend brought a Ruger in .17 Hornet and another a Ruger in .17 HMR, and both wanted me to try them out. Are the Guys that buy the rifle gonna buy the brass as soon as it hits the shelves? The Hornet has long been a favorite in the Varmint Hunting arena and although the 17 Fireball is making a pretty big splash, I'm wondering how compare in the categories of noise and in performance. I also shoot .17 HMR, .222, .22 Hornet, and .223 in small caliber rounds. I've never had a 22 Hornet but I do have a CZ 527 Varmint in 17 Hornet and it is just about one of the funnest little guns to shoot that I have ever owned. Has a Burris mount/rings with a Nikon 4-12 Long Range BDC scope on it now. I think the biggest problem with the Fireball is that Remington is way over-priced on their ammo and most other manufacturers like Hornady chose to come out with their own similar calibers rather than load for a Remington round. 223 Rem, and other cartridge rifle for shooting prairie dogs. WTB 23" 17 Fireball or 17 Hornet. It’s a under 200 yard fox rifle that doesn’t destroy pelts and a close range quiet rifle for small game ( chucks , rabbits etc) . The .17 Remington is also one of the few cartridges in which powder charge weight is often greater than bullet weight. I shoot factory 17 fireball out of it without an issue. Yes, the company's first .17-caliber cartridge is faster (by 250 feet per second), flatter (by about .7 inch at 300 yards) and more powerful (by roughly 100 foot-pounds at the muzzle). Part of the great appeal of the centerfire .17's is their mild recoil and relatively tame muzzle blast. I also have a 17 Remington with a 24 inch barrel and shoots 25 gr bullets at 4000 fps but longest shot is 416 yards. Again, var… They did very well, though if mine I would have worked the triggers over a little. They are both neat cartridges though. I would guess the 17 hornet uses about 12 grains of powder compared to 18grns for the fireball. The first three shot well out of the gate. It's the same situation with the .260 Remington which is one heck of a good cartridge that other ammo manufacturers are reluctant to support. Remington doesn't even chamber a rifle for the 17 Rem. I would say no. The Hornet neck is very thin and with tiny 17 caliber bullets it is difficult to set them in the neck straight before seating the bullets - unless you have a straight line seater. out of the rem and the 17 hornet i would pick the rem. And I'll tell you that thing was [beeep] on crows out to 300yds! Now if you really wanna stir the pot, we can bring the new Win. Both are important issues to high-volume shooters such as varmint hunters. Yep, like Strut mentioned, the centerfire.17 cartridges are a different class than the rimfire versions. you have to be happy with what comes up for sale or its a case of getting one built. When all are loaded to maximum with a 20-grain bullet and fired in barrels of the same length, the little cartridge is about 300 fps slower than the .17 Mach IV and .17 Remington Fireball, and about 600 fps slower than the .17 … My handloads in the .17 Hornet get around 3800, but with the 20-grain V-Max, which holds on to velocity better than the 17-grain bullets in the HMR. I have a set coming. Already having a 17FB in the safe? The .17 Hornet, for example, has proven to be one of the most accurate cartridges ever tested by Guns and Shooting Online. Both shoot better than I can shoot them. You won't have this problem on the FireBall to as great an extent. Velocity is close to the .17 Remington but with significantly less powder, and therefore less heat and fouling. I'd let the barrel go for $300 shipped. That's negotiable if … The muzzle velocities generated by the .17 Hornet run considerably slower than the .17 Remington—3650 fps for the 20-grain load, and 3870 fps for the lighter 15.5-grain NTX load from Hornady—yet the pressures, barrel wear and fouling are also less than those associated with the larger-cased .17 Remington. Shop for cheap price Vertx Ready Pack And 17 Fireball Vs 17 Hornet .Price Low and Options of Vertx Ready Pack And 17 Fireball Vs 17 Hornet from variety stores i Both shoot better than I can shoot them. I was looking at Remingtons web site and saw these two cartridges. How available will the new Hornet Brass be once it hits the market? In my opinion, the .17 Fireball was a brilliant solution to a non existent problem. and only 1 load for the 17 Rem. I agree that if your set on the fireball the rebarreling a 223 is a great idea. In general I'd say there's at least 100 yards difference in consistent performance, maybe more like 150. So how does the .17 Ackley Hornet compare with cartridges with larger capacities? Should be interesting to see how the round does commercially. But the Rugers people mentioned in the last few posts shoot very well. Hornady dies are listed on Cabela's web-site for 32.99. Charlie, in your opinion, what the max range on coyotes with the Fireball and a "good" bullet?? The 204 ruger is superior in my humble opinion . Although as most people in this world I am a little bias as toward my own. I have to agree that I don't see the Hornet taking off when the Fireball hasn't. I have access to a Mach IV reamer, and I was thinking of building one, but now that there is a factory version out, I need to know if the two cartridges are identical. Based on the 22 Hornet cartridge case, the 17 Hornet propels the 20 gr V-MAX at 3,650 fps. When you drop the pressures down this far your brass life more than doubles, and at least with my gun, accuracy stays wonderful. The Fireball is by far the most fun to hunt with for groundhogs, fox, and coyote. Lee custom services will make a collet neck sizer and seating die set for the 17AH for 60 bucks and shipping of 4.95 custom made to YOUR fired brass and chamber. 17 Hornet 20 gr V-MAX® Superformance® Varmint Item #83005 | 25/Box . Custom services is found on their website in the sidebar at the bottom. Looks like I'm the odd man out because I think the 17FB is the best all around walking varminter cartrige ever, but I agree with Cat in that you need to build one rather than buying one of Remmy's which are/were known for sloppy chambers. Why all the sudden interest in the hornet when the 17 fireball seemed to receive so little? Good point Darby... $140 would buy a little brass. The only downloading I do is after my second cup of coffe in the morning. I’m betting the .17 Hornet will hang in there, however, because it has a ready-made home as any gun chambered for the .22 Hornet can also be chambered for the .17. Even then you are going to buckle some necks on the 17 hornet. I would also add that just because this is a predator hunting forum, it doesn't mean that every rifle they come out with should be judged on its ability to kill a freakin coyote. Please note, the following information reflects the estimated average ballistics for each caliber and does not pertain to a particular manufacturer, bullet w I see niche uses for all of them, and since the vast majority of shooters are not handloaders, niche uses for all of them. The fireball has almost zero recoil, has less report, and takes less powder. yes it uses more powder. Uses less powder, so you can shoot more at a prairie dog town before the barrel gets hot. While the .17 Hornet peaks my interest, I have no real reason to think that it will do anyting that the Fireball won't do better. Disappointed how? While the .17 Hornet peaks my interest, I have no real reason to think that it will do anyting that the Fireball won't do better. I also shoot .17 HMR, .222, .22 Hornet, and .223 in small caliber rounds. unlike the 17 hornet and 17 fireball. The Green Hornet - 1966 Corpse of the Year Part 1 1-17 was released on: USA: 13 January 1967 What is the body temp of a hornet? When developing its version of the .17 Hornet, Hornady shortened the .22 Hornet case about 0.050 inch to make overall cartridge length compatible with the magazines of existing rifles in .22 Hornet. also there doesn't seam to be a shortage of brass for 17 rem. I was thinking that I wanted one of those .17 Hornets at first, but now I'm not so sure. Naturally, shooters will want to compare the .17 Remington Fireball with the .17 Remington. 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