The .30-06 is substantially more popular and manufacturers thus offer a much greater selection of loads at a substantially lower price point. … Joined Dec 12, 2014 Messages 46. I messed with some H4831sc, and it was very accurate, but 100-150 fps slower across the board. The .30-06 produces more energy than the .280 with bullets heavier than 180 grains, though .284" 175 grain bullets have a high sectional density of .310, compared to the 30-06 180 grain bullet with a moderate sectional density of .271. Partitions with IMR7828SSC powder and am getting 3230 fps out of the 24" Shilen barrel on it. I just had a .280 AI built on a Winchester Model 70 controlled round feed action, very similar to the MRC rifle you are thinking about getting. I loaded up some Nosler 140 gr. In the heavier bullets (150 grains and above) of similar design the .280 Remington has a slight edge in muzzle energy. Haven't shot anything heavier. Either one would work fine for the animals that you mentioned. Go. The .280 Rem and .30-06 are slightly more (about 21 foot pounds); the .270 WSM, 7mm Rem Mag and .300 Win Mag are noticeably more (26 to 31 foot pounds); the .338 Win Mag is still greater (36 foot pounds); while the .300 and .338 Remington Ultra Mags are far greater (51 to 54 foot pounds). Speer Reloading Manual Number Ten (1979), p. 182, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=.280_Remington&oldid=993152641#.280_Ackley_Improved, Articles needing additional references from January 2013, All articles needing additional references, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License, This page was last edited on 9 December 2020, at 01:53. Over time, due to confusion between the 7mm Express Remington and … I want to build a new long range rifle and I am looking at the .280 Remington ackley improved or a .284 Winchester ackley improved. I need to know if the .284 has/can be made? Cases were more easily formed by firing .280 Remington factory ammo in the improved chamber, so Ackley eventually abandoned his wildcat on … yet the .280 AI produced less recoil and muzzle blast and offered space for an additional round in the magazine. Ackley’s designs. All things equal, improves on the .280 Rem. Nov 13, 2013 #2 MudRunner2005 … The SAAMI spec cartridge carries the approved name of " 280 Ackley Improved " . Joined: 03/24/2005 . Where the .280 Ackley Improved differs from the .280 Rem. 280 Remington chambers can be easily converted to 280 AI. Thread starter Non-Lead Hunter; Start date Jan 14, 2017; 1; 2; Next. Thread starter Greg Duerr; Start date Feb 25, 2018; Help Support Long Range Hunting : Join the LRH Team or . During the name change initial confusion resulted in one production run of barrels having 7mm06 stamped on them. Fred's version had a 30-degree shoulder angle and held a pinch more powder than the 7mm-06 Ackley Improved. I certainly enjoy the performance of my 280 A.I.s, and that isn’t a major step above 280 Remington performance. However, the .280 Remington is, especially in comparison with the Ackley Improved case, … built by Shaw Barrels . the .280 improved is one of the "rare" ackley rounds that does actually show an appreciable improvement in velocity with most bullet weights. Top . Admittedly I am a 284 kinda guy. Should weigh 8lb when I put the scope on. Not because I think it’s a major step up from the standard 25-06 , but because — like many of you — … Thread starter trigger2012; Start date Nov 13, 2013; Help Support Long Range Hunting : Join the LRH Team or . Ackley credited Fred Huntington, founder of the RCBS reloading die company, with being the originator of the .280 Remington Improved. Consequently, I have two rifles chambered in .280 Remington (a Winchester Featherweight and a Remington Anniversary Model), so I haven't felt the need to own a .280 AI at this point. If you compare Nosler .280 AI brass vs. Nosler 7SAUM brass, you get twice the cases (50) with the .280 AI for only $10 more than what it costs for 25 cases of 7mm SAUM. Don Fischer. Factory loaded, starting with Nosler, in 2007. With equal weight bullets of similar design the .270 Winchester surpasses the .280 Remington's long range velocity and energy due to the 270's higher ballistic coefficient according to Federal's ammunition catalog. SOLD: Remington 700 280 Ackley Improved. Ackley. it's somewhat untypical of what ackley originaly developed the "improved" cartridge design for, more or less a … Joined Oct 13, 2008 Messages 14,708 Location Alabama.280 AI will handle your needs with no issue, and is also one of my favorite cartridges. You should be able to get a similar one built for 1500-1700. bheadboy. The neck was deliberately moved forward to prevent chambering in a .270 Winchester rifle, as firing a .280 round in a .270 rifle could cause the projectile to get stuck in the barrel or rupture the barrel due to excessive pressure. Sams first whitetail hunt. 280 Ackley Improved vs. 280 Rem. If I lived out west I would probably own one of these. 1 of 2 Go to page. Springfield case and fire-forming it to have less body taper and a 40-degree shoulder angle. As sometimes happens in the world of rifle cartridges, the 280 AI (Ackley Improved) is becoming more popular than its parent, the excellent 280 Remington. Only you can decide, but I would also tell you the 280 will have a lot less recoil than a long-range 30-06 (~200gr bullets, ~2800fps). Joined Mar 25, 2011 Messages 1,115 Location Reno, Nevada. This is how easy it is to reload for .280AI vs .280: Go to store that sells ammo and reloading supplies, find box of Nosler Custom brass in .280AI or order it, pay for said box of brass. Whether shopping for a new rifle, for perusing the used shelves of your favorite gun shop, you may very well come across a rifle in one of these cartridges, so let’s do a bit of comparing and … Since cases for the .280 RCBS could be formed by firing .280 Remington ammo in a rifle chambered for the former, Ackley abandoned the 7mm-06 Improved and started chambering rifles for the .280 RCBS. In 1979, Remington increased the powder charges of .280 factory ammunition and re-named the .280 cartridge as the 7mm Express Remington in an effort to bring attention to this newly improved performance. I really only shoot a long range on the farm we own in western NYS and I can set up out there just about as far as I want. Not worth it for your described situation. Next Last. The .280 Remington, also known as the 7mm-06 Remington and 7mm Express Remington, was introduced in 1957 for the Remington model 740, 760, 721, and 725 rifles. Unlike the .270 Winchester, the .280 Remington has been struggling almost since its inception in 1957. 270 wsm or 280 ackley improved. A 280 AI can safely fire 280 Remington ammunition, simultaneously fire-forming brass cases to reloadable 280 AI … Mag. 28 Nosler probably fills the same gap/need. I’m also having a 25-06 A.I. Top . Anyone have any ideas of ballistics? The LRX says it needs a 1:8. _____ Fortiorum fortia facta. The older wildcat has several names including 280 Ackley Improved 40°, 280 Rem Improved 40°, 280 Imp 40°, 280 Ackley, 280 Rem Imp, and more. Posts: 3213 . The .280 Remington is capable of developing energy nearly equal to the .30-06 Springfield, but with lighter bullets having a better ballistic coefficient. The .280 Remington is capable of generating slightly higher velocities in heavier bullet weights (150 grains and above) than the .270 Winchester due to a marginally greater case capacity. Nov 13, 2013 #1 T. trigger2012 New Member. I consider a 280ai a longer range rifle than I need. Other than the fact that I had to use obscure powders like 217, 869 and RL33, with significantly more recoil, to get a couple clicks difference out to how far I kill critters...not much. The three Elevation columns show drop in inches, Minutes of Angle, and Milradians. Brown bears would sway me in favor of the 30-06 with a good 200 grain bullet. However the ballistic coefficient of equal weight bullets favors .270 caliber bullets over 7mm (.284) bullets of similar design. The three Windage columns do the same with deflection. The .280 Ackley Improved is—you guessed it—the .280 Remington with the taper removed and the shoulder angle revised to 40 degrees. Now, as far as .308 vs. .280, there is a much wider range of factory ammo available for the .308 and it is much more readily available. The 280 Ackley is about as close to perfect as a North American hunting rifle can get, for hunting any type of deer. This new wildcat, which became known as the .280 Ackley Improved 40-Degree Shoulder, beat .280 Rem ballistics by about 100 fps, which gave it energy and trajectory figures that nipped at the heels of the 7mm Rem. Mag. Jan 17, 2017 #21 S. specneeds Member. Selling my custom Remington 700 in .280 Ackley Improved... (Shoots 7mm bullets...fyi) 1) Remington 700 Action Blue Printed, bolt and lugs trued and lapped. It will be worth it if you shoot the 180 bergers or better yet the 195 gr Elite hunters, use a Bartlein tube twisted 8-8.5" for the 195's or go 9" for the 180's! Having been released 32 years after the .270 Winchester, it had somewhat unspectacular sales. .280 Remington Don . While it is true that a .280 Remington case can be formed from a .30-06 Springfield case, the case length of a .30-06 is 63.3 millimetres (2.494 in) while the case length of a .280 is 64.5 millimetres (2.540 in), the same as a .30-03 Springfield. 280 Ackley Improved Ballistic Table. As for the stock, been thinking about either a Brown Precision or some sort of … Here is a ballistic chart of 280 Ackley Improved cartridge performance when firing a 175-grain Nosler AccuBond Long Range. … Go. For some reason out there, wind is always a factor as the name of the farm when we got it was " Windy Hill Farms". Since cases for the .280 RCBS could be formed by firing .280 Remington ammo in a rifle chambered for the former, Ackley abandoned the 7mm-06 Improved and started chambering rifles for the .280 RCBS. Improved 40 Degree. Today, loaded ammunition and new brass are available from Nosler. There are also many more factory loads available for the .270 Winchester over the .280 Remington at a lower price point due to the .270's much greater popularity. I already have a 280 Ackley. I have always wanted a .280AI but the more I research the .300 WSM the more I am … He then changed the 35-degree shoulder to 40-degrees and the .280 Ackley Improved was born. 280 Remington Load Data; 7mm Rem Short Action Ultra Magnum Load Data; 280 Ackley Improved Load Data; 7mm Winchester Short Magnum Load Data; 7mm Remington Magnum Load Data ; 7mm Weatherby Magnum Load Data; 7mm Shooting Times Westerner (STW) Load Data; 7mm Remington Ultra Magnum Load Data; 28 Nosler Load Data; 300 AAC Blackout Load Data; 30-30 Winchester … Original loads were 125, 150 and 165 grain bullet weights. 1 of 2 Go to page. Depending on the type of hunting your planning on doing.... Dave I was thinking the 28 over the 26 because of barrel wear. Login or register to post comments; Tue, 2013-03-26 19:10 #2. [2]. The only consideration here . In a horse race,with everything equal(it never is)the 7 Rem Mag is going to be the fastest because it holds more powder.If you dote on shear velocity,get a 7 mag; if you want the most velocity in a standard action, get the AI.If you don't care about either,get the 280...whatever keeps your gunwales above the highwater mark. Nosler Custom Reloading Brass 280 Remington Ackley Improved 40-Degree Nosler Custom Reloading Brass 7mm Remington Short Action Ultra Mag Box Having been released 32 years after the .270 Winchester, it had somewhat unspectacular sales. In 2007, ammunition manufacturer Nosler registered the.280 Ackley Improved with SAAMI and began providing factory loaded ammunition and rifles for it. Since cases for the .280 RCBS could be formed by firing .280 Remington ammo in a rifle chambered for the former, Ackley abandoned the 7mm-06 Improved and started chambering rifles for the .280 RCBS. I think a .280 Ackley would be cool. Jan 14, 2017 #1 Non-Lead Hunter Active member. If barrel length and chamber pressure are equal, the.280 Ackley Improved is about 100 fps faster with all bullet weights than the standard.280 Remington. One of P.O. Not really a question of need for me. Ackley gave the .280 Remington a steep 40-degree shoulder and straightened out most of the cartridge case’s body taper, he likely knew he was on to something special. 1; 2; First Prev 2 of 2 Go to page. Also which one has the largest case capacity? Feb 25, 2018 #1 G. Greg Duerr Well-Known Member. Some may say that the pair have both seen better days, with the 7mm Remington Magnum, 7mm-08 Remington, .280 Ackley Improved and 28 Nosler seeming more attractive to new hunters and shooters. A visual test is performed so that there is no doubt that the controversy of headspace of the 280 Ackley Improved is a non-starter. 280 Ackley Improved Ballistic Table. Originally cases were fire-formed by shooing a .280 Rem. Reader K. Akins recently wrote to ask which cartridge I thought would benefit the most from conversion to Ackley Improved: the 260 Remington, 270 Winchester, or 7mm-08 Remington. The.280 Ackley Improved is, to me, about as close to a perfect all-around North American cartridge as it gets. Thread starter tflorman; Start date Oct 28, 2020; tflorman. I am going to load mine with 160+g bullets and never go back to 140's. _____ Lynn Last edited by Ridgerunner665 on Wed Mar 25, 2015 12:57 am, edited 1 time in total. In 2007, ammunition manufacturer Nosler registered the .280 Ackley Improved with SAAMI and began providing factory loaded ammunition and rifles for it. Is it too much for you to shoot all day? While Nosler offers pre-formed 280 Ackley brass, you may want to form your own. SJB358 Post subject: Re: .280 AI or .284 Winchester. Not really a question of need for me. Practice days earlier. 308 vs 280 Ackley Improved . Location: Antelope, Ore . For me, if I didn't reload, I'd lean heavily toward the .308. Thread starter Non-Lead Hunter; Start date Jan 14, 2017; Prev. Shoulder is set at 40-degrees. Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.3. The .280 Ackley Improved has been basking in the limelight since Nosler started chambering its Model 48 rifle for it and offering loaded ammo and unprimed cases. velocities and nips at the heels of the 7mm Remington Magnum. 3) Bell and Carlson Medalist Stock. 2) Shilen barrel. However, "The slight difference in length of reformed cases doesn't make any practical difference." In performance, the .280 Ackley Improved typically adds 100 to 150 fps to standard .280 Rem. Joined Nov 13, 2013 Messages 1. The .280 Remington does, however, have a larger than expected number of European users in imported self-loading rifles such as those by Remington. According to Derek Peterson, president of Peterson Cartridge, “The .280 Ackley Improved casing will launch a 7mm, 120 gr. Here’s why: 280 AI shoots 50 fps to 100 fps faster than the 280 Remington with the same bullets in the same standard-length actions. Not really a question of need for me. What don't you like about the 28 Nosler ? If barrel length and chamber pressure are equal, the .280 Ackley Improved is about 100 fps faster with all bullet weights than the standard .280 Remington. I've got a .280 Ackley built by Accurate Ordnance with a 22" Brux 1-9" twist. I just was wondering how much of a gain would it be to have the extra 300 fps for range and wind conditions. Take brass home, and then reload it as normal for any other bottle necked rifle case. The .280 is suitable for hunting any game in North America with good shot placement. Since cases for the .280 RCBS could be formed by firing .280 Remington ammo in a rifle chambered for the former, Ackley abandoned the 7mm-06 Improved and started chambering rifles for the .280 RCBS. Not sure if anyone here has a 28 Nosler, but my question is do you think a 300 fps difference is worth it for a new custom build ? The three … Offline. Here is a ballistic chart of 280 Ackley Improved cartridge performance when firing a 175-grain Nosler AccuBond Long Range. I already have a 280 Ackley. He then changed the 35-degree shoulder to 40-degrees and the .280 Ackley Improved was born. Posted: Thu … Top. 308 vs 280 Ackley . The .270 Winchester, .280 Remington, .280 Ackley Improved, and 7mm Remington Magnum are all wonderfully suited for hunting medium game like mule deer, blacktail deer, whitetail deer, roe deer, fallow deer, pronghorn, and feral hogs. .280 Ackley Improved / 7mm Remington Magnum. JD338 Post subject: Re: .280 A.I. For some reason out there, wind is always a factor as the name of the farm when we got it was " Windy Hill Farms". Help with 280 Ackley Build. I love that thing and am a huge fan of the .280 AI and the .280 Remington. I really only shoot a long range on the farm we own in western NYS and I can set up out there just about as far as I want. by 100 fps. In long range hunting or shooting anything you can do to improve the the odds is worth it! If I was shooting big critters at long distances, I might consider a 300 RUM. As sometimes happens in the world of rifle cartridges, the 280 AI (Ackley Improved) is becoming more popular than its parent, the excellent 280 Remington. In Europe the .280 Remington is not popular in bolt action rifles since it competes directly with the 7×64mm, which is of the almost exact same size as the .280 Remington but has slightly more power, because of having a slightly higher maximum allowed chamber pressure. if you pulled a 600yshot, and missed the vitals, it would be nice to have the big bullet still moving fast. This is a very underrated cartridge, I have used and hunted with it since the early '80's. The primary difference between the standard.280 Rem. and the.280 Ackley Improved is the steeper 40 degree, which lengthens the case body and allows for about 5 percent more powder capacity. Nevertheless, either chambering will serve you well, putting a grin on your chin each time you touch it off. bullet over 3,400 fps. ... 308 vs 280 Ackley . VS 30-06. Most American rifle and ammunition manufacturers catalogue the .280 Remington. Whether shopping for a new rifle, for perusing the used shelves of your favorite gun shop, you may very well come across a rifle in one of these cartridges, so let’s do a bit of … It's almost as fast as a 7mm Rem mag. Copyright © 2000-2020 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. There is very little difference … SAAMI pressure limit for the .280 Remington is set at 60,000 PSI, 50,000 CUP. .300 WSM vs. .280 Ackley Improved. The .280 Ackley has a similar velocity to the 7mm Rem Mag, when using light to mid-weight bullets. Soon after the .280 Remington came out, Fred Huntington reformed its case to an improved configuration with minimum body taper, a 35-degree shoulder angle, and called it the .280 RCBS. Either cartridge will work fine I've shot the WSM and think it is a great one gun choice for North America with the 150-180 grain bullets. That is the velocity difference apparently according to Noslers load data. I think a .280 Ackley would be cool. Oct 26, 2014 #1 Well I have been think about doing this 280 build for awhile now and I finally found a '63 Remington 700 LA with a .473 bolt face in it. It also utilizes the .30-06 as a parent case, and as it's necked down to .284, its bullet is exactly .007 inch larger than the .270. Some may say that the pair have both seen better days, with the 7mm Remington Magnum, 7mm-08 Remington, .280 Ackley Improved and 28 Nosler seeming more attractive to new hunters and shooters. Go. I already have a 280 Ackley. Soon after the .280 Remington came out, Fred Huntington reformed its case to an improved configuration with minimum body taper, a 35-degree shoulder angle, and called it the .280 RCBS. It's a rem action, 24" rock #3 contour, mcmillan rem hunter stock. 280 Remington chambers can be easily converted to 280 AI. Here’s why: 280 AI shoots 50 fps to 100 fps faster than the 280 Remington with the same bullets in the same standard-length actions. : Wildcat created by the legendary P.O. Best of all, it achieves this efficiently by burning considerably less powder and generating less recoil than the 7mm Rem. The 280 Remington (case length 2.525 OL 3.330) and 270 Winchester (case length 2.540, OL 3.340) are basically the same, with the exception that the .280 shoulder is moved forward about 0.10 inch. It shoots the 160-168's fine. Despite the distance of time, some of his developments – notably the .30-30 Ackley Improved, the .257 Roberts Ackley Improved and the .280 Remington Ackley Improved – enjoy considerable popularity today. However, it’s doubtful he anticipated that more than a half-century later, his .280 Ackley Improved cartridge would blossom into a favorite of savvy open-country hunters across the West. Fred Huntington had done an earlier version with a 35-degree shoulder, but it is the Ackley version which has been adopted by SAAMI ( Nosler submitted the design for approval), and may be the best of P.O. Remington renamed the cartridge in late 1978 to 7mm-06 Remington but just before the end of the year they renamed it again calling it the 7 mm Express in an attempt to increase sales. If barrel length and chamber pressure are equal, the.280 Ackley Improved is about 100 fps faster with all bullet weights than the standard.280 Remington. So now my plan was to save up some more cash and to purchase a barrel. Alot depends on the type of hunt your planning on doing. For some reason out there, wind is always a factor as the name of the farm when we got it was " Windy Hill Farms". Select a light load of a relatively fast powder (IMR4895 is great) from the standard .280 Remington data. Offline. Thread starter LKEYES; Start date Oct 26, 2014; LKEYES. The .280 is based on the .30-03 necked down to accept 7 mm (.284 in) bullets, with the neck moved forward .050 in (1.27mm). Login or register to post comments; Tue, 2013-03-26 19:10 #2. Oct 28, 2020 #1 I'm a bit short on funds, so I've decided to sell this rifle to fund another match rifle project that I've been itching to get after. The 284/280/280AI recoil is significantly greater than a 6.5CM. I did a 1:8 on my new 280 barrel for just the same reason - stabilize the longer bigger bullets.. If I am reading correctly, both are .284 and the BC is … 1; 2; Next. I am thinking of up grading my long range hunting from the 270 wsm to a 280 Ackley. Ackley's earliest wildcats was the 7mm-06 Improved, which was made by necking down the .30-06 From Guns and Gear® Season 4, Tom Gresham discusses the .280 Remington. In 1979, Remington increased the powder charges of .280 factory ammunition and re-named the .280 cartridge as the 7mm Express Remington in an effort to bring attention to this newly improved performance. Hmmm seems to be the exact same process as any other cartridge, yep that is really tough and troublesome. … This resulted in people confusing it with the 7 mm Remington Magnum, and Remington changed the name back to .280 in 1981.[1]. I'm surprised that I see so many guys that shoot the .280 AI there must … Even with a few name changes, this cartridge is still one of the best around. Nov 16, 2013 #6 But if you want more horsepower, then the 7mm RemMag is another great option. It's almost as fast as a 7mm Rem mag. Either one would work fine for the animals that you mentioned. Some may say that the pair have both seen better days, with the 7mm Remington Magnum, 7mm-08 Remington, .280 Ackley Improved and 28 Nosler seeming more attractive to new hunters and shooters. I don't like shooting at game when the wind is kicking at great distances, but maybe the gain would make me rethink it some what. If so, we suggest the following procedure: Start with standard .280 Remington cases. out of an Ackley chamber. During the name change initial confusion resulted in one production run of barrels having 7mm06 stamped on them. Soon after the .280 Remington came out, Fred Huntington reformed its case to an improved configuration with minimum body taper, a 35-degree shoulder angle, and called it the .280 RCBS. You mention barrel wear y opt for the 26 high BCover the 28. Soon after the .280 Remington came out, Fred Huntington reformed its case to an improved configuration with minimum body taper, a 35-degree shoulder angle, and called it the .280 RCBS. Yes you can use the .280 in that action. Since cases for the .280 RCBS could be formed by firing .280 Remington ammo in a rifle chambered for the former, Ackley abandoned the 7mm-06 Improved and started chambering rifles for the .280 RCBS. Next Last. The only consideration here is the rifle itself. The three Elevation columns show drop in inches, Minutes of Angle, and Milradians. Remington renamed the cartridge in late 1978 to 7mm-06 Remington but just before the end of the year they renamed it again calling it the 7 mm Express in an attempt to increase sales. Oct 25, 2016 #5 MudRunner2005 Well-Known Member. Don Fischer. Some of thee extremely slugs available for the 28 Nosler, such as the ABLR 168 have very high BC's and are actually hunting bullets to boot. I really only shoot a long range on the farm we own in western NYS and I can set up out there just about as far as I want. It also tends to produce less recoil, and less muzzle blast. RD if you don't think you need it, you probably don't. Wonder if anyone can give their impressions on the .300 WSM or .280AI. Top. .300 WSM vs. .280 Ackley Improved. I AM CONSIDERING BUYING A NEW RIFLE IN A 280 Ackley IMPROVED. Kill was 115 yds with .280 AI. The 7mm STW, and .28 Nosler are also good options, but might be a bit much for strictly … 6.8 Remington SPC Load Data; 27 Nosler Load Data; 270 Winchester Load Data; 270 Winchester Short Magnum (WSM) Load Data; 270 Weatherby Magnum Load Data; 7mm Mauser (7×57) Load Data; 7mm-08 Remington Load Data; 284 Winchester Load Data; 280 Remington Load Data; 7mm Rem Short Action Ultra Magnum Load Data; 280 Ackley Improved Load Data The recoil characteristics of the .280 Remington are smooth enough that even young shooters can learn to master the rifle, especially with the lighter bullets. When P.O. Joined Sep 8, 2016 Messages 130. Hey guys, looking into getting a new hunting rilfe. The difference is minimal, much like the comparison between the .308 and .30-06, and with the … Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:38 pm . Looking at the velocity difference between the two cartridges, you’ll see the .280 Remington driving a140-grain bullet at a muzzle velocity between 2950 and 3050 fps, while the 7mm-08 Remington clocks in between 2800 and 2850 fps (Hornady’s Superformance being an exception at 2900 fps). If you want something else to shoot at the farm, hunt with, and run to long range,just get a 6.5 Creedmoor. Readers ask about the best Ackley Improved cartridge, how to improve 280 Ackley Improved accuracy, and super scopes for hunting inside 200 yards. .280 vs .30-06.280 Ackley Improved; See also; References; History. With RL-26 my load is at 2950 with the 160 Accubond and 2925 with the 162 ELDx. Date Jan 14, 2017 # 21 S. specneeds Member of deer i might consider a 280ai a longer rifle... Additional round in the heavier bullets ( 150 grains and above ) of similar design the.280 in action... In that action Windage columns do the same with deflection ) of similar design the.280 Ackley Improved was.... 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Lean heavily toward the.308 a 280ai a longer Range rifle than i need know... Do to improve the the odds is worth it, 2016 # 5 MudRunner2005 Well-Known Member ;.. The standard.280 Rem is worth it big bullet still moving fast 26, 2014 ;.. Ackley Improved with SAAMI and began providing factory loaded ammunition and rifles for.... Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:38 pm n't think you need it, you probably do n't like! Few name changes, this cartridge is still one of these reload, i 'd lean heavily the! Unlike the.270 Winchester, it achieves this efficiently by burning considerably less powder generating... Team or, i 'd lean heavily toward the.308 of loads at a substantially price... Be able to get a similar one built for 1500-1700. bheadboy, 2018 ; Support... In Long Range can use the.280 Ackley built by Accurate Ordnance a! Purchase a barrel columns do the same reason - stabilize the longer bigger bullets lower... You may want to form your own do to improve the the odds worth. 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